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Episode 31 – Small Time Criminals with Ben McKenzie and Kevin Turner

Ben McKenzie and Kevin Turner just want to play. As two members of Pop Up Playground they create fun, immersive game experiences that feel like real live computer games. So why has their latest project, Small Time Criminals, attracted the ire of tabloid media and victims of crime groups. Is it an ultra-realistic bank heist simulation that mocks the victims of real robberies? Or is it a media beat up? On this week’s episode Ben and Kevin talk games, cheating and bank heists while Nicholas tries to make the two most laidback men in Melbourne angry.

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Nicholas J. Johnson is a Melbourne magician, author and collector of scams

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